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迷乐队2006 年5 月的一篇采访

在没有认识 迷乐队 没有听过他们的音乐之前，我一直觉得摇滚乐仅仅是一种听觉上的冲击，一些对生活有所不满的年轻人发泄心中感受的工具，甚至会觉得做摇滚的人有一些极端。我相信很多人也会有这种想法。但是听了迷乐队 的歌之后， 完全颠覆了我从前对摇滚的认知，它让我明白了，原来摇滚也是可以静下心来慢慢聆听的，也是可以在激荡的音符中找到似曾相识的情感，原来做摇滚的人也会有一颗细腻而敏感的心。

他们在2005 年6 月的时候发行了自己的第一张专辑《时间》，但是由于宣传上的问题，没有能够让更多的朋友认识他们听到他们的音乐，可是他们并没有放弃。依然坚持着他们的音乐梦想，艰难的行走在音乐之路上。

现在就让我们认识这样一个乐队— 迷乐队， 听主唱王香山讲述他的音乐历程。

作者：你是从什么时候对音乐很感兴趣的呢

王香山（以下简称王）：很早，对摇滚是从初二开始

作者：那时候喜欢摇滚会不会被周围的人觉得有些叛逆

王：会觉得你的想法怪，而我觉得所有人都应该喜欢摇滚乐，为什么不呢

作者：后来因为喜欢专门学了音乐是吗

王：不是，一直想弄个乐队，我后来觉得在学校里学不到什么我喜欢的东西，高一上了半个学期就退学了，因为我住得太远，每天五点起，到了学校也是打磕睡

作者：那你的第一个乐队是在什么时候成立的呢 和同学还是一些同样热爱音乐的人

王：在中学弄了半年斑的男生，就是没一个人有乐器　很好笑，后来弄起了一个四个人的，水平不高　玩一样

作者：那个时候有没有想过　我要我的乐队今后成为什么样的吗　或是想做到怎样一个成绩

王：因为听的都是世界上著名的乐队，所以当然会想成为那样的乐队

作者：我身边也有很喜欢摇滚乐的同学　他们觉得摇滚可以给他们一种不一样的状态　是一种发泄　你觉得呢　摇滚是一种怎么样的音乐

王：摇滚就是给一些有时间去想一些吃饭睡觉挣钱之外的事的人听的音乐。哈哈

作者：你就是这样一种状态吗

王：我一直想得蛮多，尽量用客观的角度去理解世界，不光是音乐

作者：我在网上看过你写的博客　发现你的文笔很好　写的东西很朦胧　你觉得你自己是一个很敏感的人吗　很善于发掘生活中的东西

王：嗯 我是个超级敏感的人　因为我是个很木纳的人　我很尊重前人的智慧　我希望我能生活得像一位智者

作者：正是这种敏感　让你扑捉到了很多身边的细节　这对你的音乐创作是不是也有很大的帮助

王：有些事情总是很矛盾，如果你的生活一帆风顺，是不会用生活做实践来做音乐的，如果我原来不曾那么空虚，就写不出一些真实的歌，生活比较难观察，倒是自己的内心比较容易观察，没人注意到这张专辑里没有一个故事，完全是感受的描写

作者：你的经历很丰富，在你一天可以赚一万五的时候，或者遇到自己比较满意的工作时，有没有想过，这样挺好的了，不一定非要坚持走音乐这条路。

王：不，我一天同样亏过一万块，我从没在一个工作上长期稳定过，我害怕过那样的生活，我害怕有个好工作然后早早结婚生子，从小就害怕，而我从前确实有过这种想法我在某些地方相当不成熟，既是好事，也是坏事。

作者：我们说一个人在年轻时会幻想很多得不到的生活状态，但是随着年龄的增长，会逐渐成熟起来，但直到现在为止你还是希望过那种每天不一样的生活吗？

王：不会每天都不同，我现在每天都差不多，人都在改变，都是在挣扎，都有很多各自的责任，　我的目标很远大，变得有使命感，我需要面对生活更多的考验和磨练，我要看内心的一份纯真是如何面对复杂的世界的。

作者：那你的目标是什么？把你的乐队发展成为世界一流的乐队吗？

王：依现在的情况看，似乎还非常遥远，努力是最重要的，我做得还不够，我相信很多乐队都有非常遥远的梦想。

作者：一开始组建乐队并不是现在的成员，是吧，那个时候的状态是怎么样的？也像很多乐队一样会在酒吧的演出吗？　

王：对换过很多，都是很好的朋友，由此知道最终留下来做音乐的人并不多，要么放弃音乐，要么被穷逼疯，２０００年每周都有原创演出，几乎够每天吃方便面了，现在演出全是自己赔钱。

作者：可能很多人会觉得，原来搞音乐并不是他们想象的那么轻松，因为还要吃饭，但是你却坚持下来了，即使现在在赔钱，除了喜爱，还有没有别的什么原因？

王：是因为现在的时代缺乏音乐英雄，中国从前有，现在几乎看不到了，大家都在忙自己的事吧，每个时代都应该有，我希望我至少是其中一个，我知道什么样的生活对我更有意义，我生活的角度不太一样，我不用快乐金钱地位来衡量，因为这些任何人都可以拥有，也都会失去，　你个人拥有再多，也没意义。

作者：在你的心目中，音乐英雄应该是什么样子的？

王：音乐英雄是跟时代背景结合的，有时一种音乐代表一种年代， 或是一个人代表一种音乐势力，总有领头的个人和团体，这些就是音乐英雄。

作者：你们刚刚出道时，大家对你们的音乐有一种什么样的评价，是你们所期望你结果吗？

王：现在我从最好到最差都听过了，在制作上有永远的遗憾，在歌本身上则没有更多遗憾，因为我相信当时没更多选择，当别人评论你好或不好，我都非常在意，我觉得这张专辑就像是一本书，发行了，就是只有很少人懂，因为是为很少人写的。　

作者：这张专辑中的歌曲有多少是出自你的手中呢？你觉得只有很少的人懂是不是一种遗憾？

王：词除了《时间》都是我写的，曲大部分是我和吉它完成，很少人懂确实是遗憾，真理总是在少数人手中。

作者：那你们有没有想过做出一些很容易被大多数人所接受的音乐呢？

王：在时间面前任何人都可以是对的错的，我们的时间点总是很糟糕，我们乐队一直很背　没办法，明显我们自己也是不完美的。

作者：世界上哪有这么多的完人呢，你们四个人的性格像吗？

王：不像，完全不像我是最轴的看起来　呵呵

作者：那时怎样的机缘让你们决定在一起完成你们的梦想？

王：就是因为还年轻，还蹦达得动那时。　

作者：你们现在四个人，遇到过最困难的时候吗？　

王：有，一直都是最困难的时候，这几年从未好起来。

作者：签了公司之后也没有好转吗？

王：完全没有，我发现就是曾经的音乐人，一到了唱片公司就会变样，我们有矛盾，所以专辑刚发宣传就停了，我们因为少请人吃一顿饭就会被叫去开会，哈哈，为了发专辑，我们放弃了很多原则，这是我们最大的失败之处。

作者：他们会按他们的想法来包装你们，你们虽然放弃了，但是并没有达到预想的效果，为什么不等唱片所有的活动结束后再解约呢？现在这样你们很不合适呀。

王：那几个人后来被公司开了，因为好像老总知道了他们怎么对我们，有我们的演出居然不通知我们就直接回了，这些事我不想再说很多，专辑发了就可以一直流传了，不管卖多少都会留下痕迹，有缘的人自然会按图索骥，我们不指望专辑带来什么，音乐比什么都单纯，我们一出道就受人误会，承受很多不客观的评价，你能做的最好的就是不听，不想，一笑了之。

作者：我知道有人说你们和“ 山羊皮乐队” 很像，这是你们所不愿意听到的是吗？

王：我们不是投机分子，很可笑不用音乐的内涵来评论一个乐队，当北京的一个音乐台拒绝让我们进入排行榜的时候，我朋友打电话问为什么，得到的答案是：不觉得这样制作粗糙的小制作专辑有进入的必要。我觉得相当可笑，官僚处处都在。

作者：所以说想要单单凭音乐的质量，水平出人头地似乎很难，那你们想过改善这种现状的方法吗？比如，放弃一些自己的原则，迎合一下。

王：社会风气很难改变的，千年如此，每个时代的人都觉得自己进步了，人性永远不变，爱恨　嫉妒，我只能撑开自己狭窄的内心，当心灵足够大时，这此风气才不至于影响结果，任何行业都有自己特定的秘密规则，只有你自己走过一趟，才知道里面跟你想的有多少不一样。

作者：有时心灵的纯净是唯一在这个社会上可以安慰自己的东西了。

王：嗯，世界有时候看起来并非公平和美好，才有了摇滚乐。

作者：你们现在的演出也还是一直自己掏钱是吧，我看你们以前的演唱会宣传，有时都不要门票。

王：对，就是不要门票来的人也少，我们并非热门，大部分的年轻人都在想着如何中产，等我们国家贫富差距到了一定的时候，有了群众根基，摇滚才是热门，我恐怕到那时已经老了，我那时再出道，大家会觉得我热门，而我其实一直都没变。

作者：那在平时你们都有自己各自的职业吗？要不然怎么维持日常的生活呢？

王：对，都有自己的职业，我们四个人恐怕涉及过２０个行业，就是没发财，是音乐导致了我成为穷人，没办法，我爱跟它一起变穷，出去讨饭，爱人可以离开，吉它就不会，狗狗也不会！

作者：我很佩服你们，音乐对于你们来说已经是生命的一部分了。

王：我总是说得非常好听，如果我做的时候也是这样，我们就不是现在这样，我有时一觉醒来，都是在自责，这是我这个星座的人最大的缺点。

作者：你不会是双鱼座的吧？

王：不是，是最招人讨厌的处女座，呵呵。

作者：星座可是自己选不了的呀，你们近期有什么打算吗？

王：尽量维持，等待出头之日，对于我自己就是再努力点。

作者：你们没有像过去参加一些选秀或者是专业比赛吗？

王：不，我们不爱凑热闹，我们的音乐也不适合。

作者：但我还是特别衷心的祝福你和你的乐队能够早日完成你们的音乐梦想，成为更多人心中的音乐英雄。

王：音乐英雄可遇不可求，对于我自己来说，我已经是英雄了。

作者：你们今后还会再出专辑吗？或者再签公司。

王：我觉得会，我不会放弃，就是我老了也会做音乐，写给自己听那种，哈哈，音乐是一生的爱人。

作者：你们真的很执着，要是有一天大街小巷放的都是你们的歌，我想我会觉得很正常，因为你们很努力，也太热爱音乐了。

王：第一张很难，我怎么听起来都不觉得可以红成那样

作者：但是听了你们的歌， 改变了很多以前我以前的想法，我相信今后还会有很多人认识并用心聆听你们的声音。

王：嗯， 那对谁都将是一件很好的事情。

MYLOVEPUZZLE band in May 2006 in an interview with the crowds in the absence of awareness of the band had not heard their music before, I have always felt that rock music is only a hearing on the impact Some dissatisfied with the life of young people vent feelings of the tools, or even feel that the rock there are some extremists. I believe that many people will this idea. But the crowds listened to the band after the song completely subvert I used to rock the right knowledge, it lets me know. original rock is slowly can concentrate on listening, and can be stirred in the notes to find familiar feelings do the original rock may have a delicate and sensitive heart. In June 2005 when the issue of their first album "time", but due to publicity on the issue, not to let more friends understand they hear their music, but they did not give up. Still stick to their music dream, walking on the difficult road to music. Let us now understand such a band-band fans, listening to songs on the cenotaph Wang's music history. Author : What is your time to the music very interested in the mountain? Wang (hereinafter referred to Wang) : early, Rock is right from the beginning of the first two days of the author : time like rock will be around some people feel that the treason Wang : You would think that the idea of the strange, and I think everyone should like rock, why not? Author : Later, because I like to learn a specialized music? Wang : No, the band has wanted fritter, Later, I think that the school does not learn anything I like, high on a half a semester of school. because I live too far away, daily 5:00, the school is also asleep Author : That your first one in the band when it formed and some students still love the same music Wang : in secondary schools get half of the spot boys, who is not a musical instrument very funny, and later get an effect of the four individuals, level is not high playing the same author : At that time I had never thought of my band to become the future what kind of want to do it or what an achievement Wang : as it is the world famous band, which, of course, will want to be that kind of band Author : I know there are bands like the students they think that rock can give them a different state is a vent What do you think about how rock is a kind of music Wang : Rock is some time to think about some sleep to earn money to eat outside of the people listen to music. The author says : You are such a state? Wang : I have been married to get as far as possible with an objective point of view to understand the world, Not only is the music writer : I read on the Internet you write your blog found writes well write something very hazy you think that your own is a very sensitive The flu is very good at doing that explore the life of the things Wang : ah, I was super sensitive people because I was very satisfied that the wood I have great respect for the wisdom of their predecessors, I hope I can live as a wise author : It is this sensitive let you Pizhuo around to a lot of details to your music is also very helpful Wang : Some things are always full of contradictions, if your life smooth sailing is not to make life practicing music, If I had been so empty, write some real songs and life more difficult for observation, but their hearts relatively easy to observe, no one took note of the album still is not a story. is the author describes the feeling : Your experience is very rich, you can earn 15,000 a day when or encounter more satisfied with their work, has it ever occurred, so it's quite good. not necessarily require adhering to the Music of the road. Wang : No, I have the same day off 10,000 deficit, I never work in a long-term, stable, I afraid that kind of life, I was afraid of a good work before early marriage and fatherhood, childhood fear, I used to have really, I think, in some places quite immature and is a good thing, but also a bad thing. Author : We can say that a young person will be denied many of the fantasy life of the state, but as the age increases. will gradually mature, but Until now, you kind of hope that the day off is not the same life? Wang : No, it's not every day is different, I now almost every day, people are changing, are struggling. there are a lot of responsibility, my goal is ambitious to become a mission, I need to face life more tests and challenges, I want a pure heart is faced with a complex world. Author : you what is the objective? Put your band as a world-class orchestra? Wang : According to the present situation, it seems very far away. Efforts is the most important, I had not done enough. I believe many of the band have a very distant dream. Author : began to organize a band which is not a member, yes, that time is how the state like? Like many of the band will also perform in bars? Wang : Many right Alternatively, are good friends, which ultimately left to do know the music, not much. either give up music, either poor wife, in 2000 original performances each week, almost enough to eat instant noodles every day. Now their performances are all losing money. Author : Many people may feel that the original music is not engaging their imagination so relaxed because it eat, But you have persevered and now even in a loss, in addition to love, and there are no other reasons? Wang : because of the current lack of an era music heroes, we used to have, could barely see, Everybody is busy own thing at a time, each era should have, I hope I have at least one, I know what kind of life is more meaningful to me, I live quite different perspective, I do not have money to a happy position to judge, because anyone can have, we will lose, you have more individuals, but also irrelevant. Author : in your mind, music is what a hero should look like? Wang : music with the hero of the era background, and sometimes a representative of a musical era or a representative of a music, the total lead of individuals and groups, which is music heroes. Author : you just baked, all of your music is what kind of evaluation, you have the results you expect? Wang : I now from best to worst have heard in the production are always regret, the body makes no more regrets, because I believe that no more choice, but when the other comments or bad Hello, I have a very gentle, I think that this album is like a book, issuers, it is only a few people understand, because few people to write. Author : album of songs from the number of your hands? Do you think only a few people understand is not a regret? Wang : Apart from the word "time" is what I wrote, Qu most of Kyrgyzstan and I completed it, very few people understand is really regrettable, Truth is always in the hands of a few. Author : That you have ever thought about making some very easily be accepted by the majority of music? Wang : the time before anyone can on the wrong, we point in time is always the worst, Our band has been no way back, we obviously is not perfect. Author : World Is there so much? Man is perfect, you four personal character like? Wang : unlike, I was totally ignorant of the axis appear Oh Author : then what got you decide to complete your dream? Wang : because young, Chengda move then. Author : you are now four individuals and encountered the most difficult time? Wang : There has always been the most difficult time the past few years, it has never been better. Author : sign the company failed to improve after? Wang : No, I have discovered is the music, one of the record companies will become different, we are contradictions, So the album just propaganda stopped, and the less we asked people to eat a meal meeting will be petty, haha, to the album, We give up a lot of principle, and this is our biggest mistake. Author : they will their thoughts to your packaging, although you give up, but did not achieve the desired effect, Why all the records from the end of the event after termination? Now you can very inappropriate ah. Wang : that several people were later opened, because as a manager they know how to us, Our performances have not even notified us directly back, these things I do not want to say that many, albums will be issued has been rumored, no matter how much to sell will be left traces the fate of people will find what you want. We do not expect anything album, music than anything simple, we baked on a misunderstanding by the people, bear a lot of subjective evaluation, the best you can do is not listening, do not want to laugh is over. Author : I know that some people say you and the "goatskins band" like, you do not want to hear is that right? Wang : We are not opportunists, not music it's ridiculous to comment on the content of a band, When Beijing of a music refused to let us enter the number of the time, I phoned a friend asked why, the answer is : do not think that this production of the small production of rough album access to the necessary. I think it is very ridiculous, everywhere in the bureaucracy. Author : Mr So said simply want music quality, the level seems to get ahead is difficult, then you thought of to improve the status of the solution? For example, to give up some of their principles, to cater to. Wang : difficult to change society, the Millennium this, but every time people feel that their own progress, human nature will never change. jealousy, envy, I can only shake their narrow heart, soul when large enough, this trend will not affect the outcome, Any industry has its own specific rules of the secret, only through your own trip. know inside you want to with the number not the same. Author : sometimes the pure soul is the only in this community can console ourselves of things. Wang : ah, the world is not fair sometimes looks and beautiful, would be a rock. Writer : Now, you have to perform or have their own cost Yes, I do your previous concert publicity, Tickets are sometimes not. Wang : Yes, it is not the tickets were also fewer, we are not popular, the majority of young people are thinking about how the middle class, such as the gap between rich and poor in our country at a certain time, the foundation of the masses, is a hot rock, I am afraid that by that time already old, I then baked again, we will feel that I hot, and I never actually been changed. Author : In that case, you usually have their own respective career? Or how to maintain day-to-day life? Wang : right, have their own careers, we fear that four individuals involved in over 20 industries, is not rich, Music is a result I became poor, no way, I love what it together impoverish out begging for food, the wife can leave, Kyrgyzstan it will not, nor will doggies! Author : I admire you, your music is already a part of life. Wang : I always put it very nicely, if I do this often, we do not now. Sometimes I wake up one morning and are to blame, this is my constellation of the biggest weaknesses. Author : you will not be soft, huh? Wang : No, the most disgusting of strokes virgin Block, Ha ha. Author : Constellation But his election can not you see that what you intend to recently? Wang : try to maintain and make it wait for my efforts is another point. Author : You did not, as in the past, to participate in selecting performers or some professional competitions? Wang : No, we do not like to join in the merriment, we are not suitable for the music. Author : But I particularly heartfelt wishes to you and your band to the early completion of your music dreams. become more of the hearts of music heroes. Wang : music hero can not make happen for myself, I was a hero. Author : your future out there will be another album? Or re companies. Wang : I think so, I will not give up, I will do the old music, which was addressed to myself, ha ha. Music is a lifetime of loving. Author : You really stubborn, if one day the streets are up your songs, I think I will feel very normal, because you worked very hard, too much love for music. Wang : the first is difficult, but I do not think how sounds can be as red as the author : But after listening to your songs, change a lot before I used to the idea, I believe there will still be a lot of people understand and want to hear your voices. Wang : ah, then everyone will be a very good thing.